Mark Spoils: Abandoning 'Eleventh Hour' Thread EDIT: Fixed maybe?

Thursday, March 17, 2011

Abandoning 'Eleventh Hour' Thread EDIT: Fixed maybe?

I have no idea what's wrong, but ever since that weird looking icon thing randomly showed up, the Eleventh Hour thread is borked. Since it refuses to obey my mighty mod powers I'm going to be deleting the 'Eleventh Hour' post in an hour.

~~Sorry about this. I just don't know what happened!~~

EDIT: I think I fixed it. Maybe.

Feel free to chat in here if it's still borked, but I'm not going to delete the Eleventh Hour thread now.

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Medli 141p · 732 weeks ago

It must be a crack in the skin of the blog.

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E.L.S.O.S. 83p · 732 weeks ago

Eleven gave a strange disease to the blog and now it has cracks!

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Medli 141p · 732 weeks ago

Yes, exactly!

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Dragon Elexus 124p · 732 weeks ago

We better be careful, or else we'll start forgetting thin-

wait...what was I typing about?

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echinodermata 118p · 732 weeks ago

You know what I'm not looking forward to? Comments about Amy/Eleven at the end of Flesh and Stone. So much potential for wank I'm nervous just thinking about it.

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Minish · 732 weeks ago

I'll probably be one of those wankers.

I'm not going to make a grandstand about it, but it did make me feel a bit uncomfortable.

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echinodermata 118p · 732 weeks ago

I find it uncomfortable too, but I've also seen that scene being used as grounds for slut-shaming (and her "you may absolutely kiss the bride" in Big Bang).

So basically I'm worried about the reasonings people are going to give for not liking it, not that people don't like it in the first place.

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Minish · 732 weeks ago

Oh, right.

Not gonna be fun times. Especially since the episode itself is brilliant and doesn't deserve ALL THE DRAMA.

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doesntsparkle 93p · 732 weeks ago

I don't like that moment because the Doctor is clearly not into it. I'm pretty sure that 11 is afraid of cooties(or he's aware that the power dynamics in his relationship with his companions is really unbalanced and a romantic relationship is therefore creepy). I do love Amy. I wish I could hug away all of her pain, but no means no.
Other than that, it's really in character for Amy at that moment, with her abandonment issues and her cold feet, and surviving a horrific ordeal. If I were in her shoes, I would totally try to mack on space Gandolf.

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Medli 141p · 732 weeks ago

That's exactly how I feel about it too - it makes me uncomfortable, but at the same time, I hate seeing it get used as "justification" for slut-shaming her. Really not looking forward to that wank.

I kinda think we're supposed to feel that way, though? Maybe? It's unfortunate, because it's otherwise one of my favorite two-parters of the whole show (River Song and Weeping Angels, yeah, I'm sure this is terribly surprising).

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Hypatia_ 99p · 732 weeks ago

I feel like it's meant to be yet another manifestation of how, really, fucked up in the head Amy is. A lot of the indications are like that, they come off as funny, but when you think about them a bit, they show how hard she's had it, mentally. Like the line about how she went through four psychiatrists because she kept biting them. Yes, it is totally hilarious, and it's meant to be, but it's also mean to invoke the image of the abandoned child, being told that her Raggedy Doctor, in whom she had so much confidence, isn't real.

I think that if Amy coming on to the Doctor had been meant as a joke only, it would be more problematic, but I think it's supposed to be more than that, if you scratch the surface.

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Medli 141p · 732 weeks ago

Yeah, you know what? I think that makes me feel better about that scene. Still uncomfortable, but if that's the intended effect, it doesn't seem so terrible somehow.

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Hypatia_ 99p · 732 weeks ago

Well, I don't know if that's the intended affect, because I am not Steven Moffat, but that's how that scene, and a lot of other parts with Amy, come off to me.

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Medli 141p · 732 weeks ago

I don't really believe in authorial intent anyway, so that's my interpretation and I'm sticking to it!

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Dragon Elexus 124p · 732 weeks ago

Oh, yeah, I definitely think it was intended to be awkward. That's how I read it the first time. I also think we're not meant to think "woot, go Amy!" but think "err... not cool."

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Dragon Elexus 124p · 732 weeks ago

Can I ask exactly how we're defining "slut-slamming"? I know many people have disliked Amy because she's overly sexual- she wears short skirts, she's a kissogram, she likes flirting, etc, and I agree that its a big double-standard between her and other characters, like Jack. I also think its rather ignorant to think that all kissograms (as well as sluts and prostitutes) to be bad, on principle. But at the same time, I don't think that means we can't criticism Amy's actions like that at all.

For example, I think running away before her wedding day was a bit stupid and cruel, but forgivable; the TARDIS is tempting, she'd been waiting for it her whole life, and Amy was nervous. But I really dislike some of her other actions, and not just because 'she's a slut'. I mean, trying to have sex with the Doctor- the night before you're due to get married, and when he clearly is not interested? And flirting in front of your new-husband when he clearly is uncomfortable about it is a bit douchey, too.

I'm not saying she's a bad character because of that- I think its part of her character, and what makes her flawed. But I think it will be odd if nobody points out how cruel her actions can be at times.

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Minish · 732 weeks ago

Speaking of which...

If I see one more person use the term "sex worker" in conjunction with Amy Pond over on MWDW, I will explode.

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doesntsparkle 93p · 732 weeks ago

(Invoking Ten) WEEEELLLLL it's complicated.

I understand what you are saying. I don't personally that kiss-o-gram=sex worker. At the same time, I don't want to imply that there is anything wrong with being a sex worker.

Amy's job should not matter, but because it's a tiny bit proactive, people judge her for it. It's not right. I feel that when some people call her a sex worker, they are using those words as a pejorative. It's just complicated as fuck, and I really don't have a definitive answer.

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mkjcaylor 87p · 732 weeks ago

Do people actually do that job? Kissogram? Before this episode I had never heard of that.

ETA:

Amy's short skirts do bother me. But so do the short skirts and low shirts of just about every other girl on TV that I watch nowadays. I never thought of her as a slut, just more of what a typical girl tends to wear in action shows/movies. I was annoyed because it was so common and I remember other companions being much less like that. I thought it was unique that they weren't and less unique that she was. So that is my take. I never equated it to her being slutty.

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Dragon Elexus 124p · 732 weeks ago

Well, kissograms did exist, I'm not so sure if they still do. I thought they belonged to more 'innocent' times, but hey, they might still be clinging on in obscure British towns.

As for Amy's short skirts- they don't really bother me. I agree, most girls do wear revealing things in TV shows these days, and that is annoying. But I know tonnes of girls in real life who do it, too- so yeah, maybe its a bit sexual, but its also realistic to a certain extent.

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Medli 141p · 732 weeks ago

Also, way way late: I just want to say that every person that played up Jeff in their comments put a big grin on my face. That was great!

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Dragon Elexus 124p · 732 weeks ago

I'm slightly afraid he'll get to the end of the season and be like "er...there was no more Jeff," and he shall be all sad.

But then, he'll have MOAR RORY and everything will be better.

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Minish · 732 weeks ago

I think we were all sad when there was no Jeff at the end of the series.

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NB2000 115p · 732 weeks ago

I know I was.

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